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Why Men Are Attracted to Crazy, Emotionally Abusive Women


louise-bourgeois-maman1Are you a crazy chick magnet? Have you had one turbulent relationship after another with women? Do you attract volatile, demanding, needy, emotionally unbalanced women? Have you ever wondered, “Why?”

Adult relationships are choices and you choose to become involved with these women. Even if your relationship makes you miserable, you’re getting something out of it. You attract these women because you’re telegraphing the signal, “Hey you, I’m into crazy ladies. Come torture me,” whether you’re aware of it or not.

There are a few possible reasons why you repeatedly get involved with crazy women in all their forms. If “crazy” gets you hot, it’s in your best interest to figure out why and break the pattern.

When you feel an overpowering, immediate chemistry toward a new woman, like you’ve always known her, without rhyme or reason, be wary. You probably already do know her. She’s most likely a new embodiment of unresolved relationship issues from childhood and adolescence—same issues, different packaging.

1) Yo’ Momma.

  • Was your mom hypercritical and intrusive? Was your dad passive and henpecked?
  • Was your dad around or did your mom drive him away?
  • Did your mom, dad or siblings make you feel inadequate? Did they pick on you?
  • Were you made to feel that nothing you did was ever good enough?
  • Did you feel like you had to defend yourself from the people who loved you?

We create relationship templates when we’re kids based on our parents’ relationship and the way our parents, siblings, grandparents, or anyone we sought affection and approval from treated us. If we’re lucky, we have healthy relationship role models to emulate as adults.

If you’re not one of the lucky ones, you’re probably re-enacting childhood relationships in an effort to negate your original feelings of hurt and loss by trying to have an emotionally corrective experience. “If only I can get this person to love me the way I want to be loved then it will mean I’m good enough and everything is okay.” This is usually totally unconscious.

You’re trying to “get it right” as an adult, but with the wrong person. The women you’re attracted to aren’t anymore capable of giving you what you need and want than your parent(s), sibling(s), or whomever caused your original emotional injury. You end up repeating the same doomed relationship pattern with the same type of person. This pattern will keep repeating itself until you become aware of it and begin to make different relationship choices.

2) Knight in shining armor.

  • Did one or both of your parents have substance abuse or addiction problems?
  • Did your caregiver(s) suffer from depression, anxiety or extreme mood swings?
  • Did you feel like you had to protect your mom or dad from being hurt or upset?
  • Did you act as a referee or peacemaker because your parents had constant conflict?
  • Did your mom and/or dad make you their confidante when they divorced or during their marriage?
  • Did you feel like you had to protect your family from each other and outsiders?

If so, you were probably a parentified child—having to take care of the grown-ups who were supposed to be taking care of you. Parentified sons often grow up to have adult relationships with women who need to be “rescued,” when in reality, it’s the men who need to be rescued from these women who appear to be fragile waifs, but quickly turn into abusive aggressors when you disappoint them or fail to meet her expectations, which are often unrealistic.

Emotionally abusive women often present themselves as “helpless victims,” which makes the men who are attracted to them feel needed, strong, and powerful—at first. These women are usually bottomless pits of never-ending, un-meetable needs. They’ll make you suffer for not meeting their unrealistic expectations or for hurting one of their many ultra-sensitive feelings, which may or may not have a basis in reality.

This type of woman doesn’t need rescuing; she needs a mood stabilizer and a warning label. You can’t save another person. You have to start taking care of yourself and that means protecting yourself from professional victims who prey upon kind hearted rescuer types.

3) The first cut is the deepest.

  • Was your family healthy, loving and supportive for the most part?
  • Are you attracted to women who take you on an emotional roller coaster ride and aren’t able to reciprocate your affection?
  • Was your first girlfriend or crush exciting? Did you experience extreme highs and lows with her?
  • Does your family worry about your relationship choices?

Some men recreate their first painful romantic relationship from adolescence over and over again, even though they had healthy relationship models as children. You may be so scarred by your first love that you fall for the same type of woman as an adult, trying to  finally “win” her love.

Having your first love crush you is a shock to the system. It didn’t compute and you have probably spent a lot of time and energy trying to make the same relationship work with different women. My advice: Give it up and follow the path of least resistance.

Additionally, because this was your first relationship experience, you may mistakenly believe that it’s what relationships are supposed to be like and have patterned subsequent relationships on it. Perhaps you believe that romantic relationships are supposed to hurt and make you suffer and, therefore, are attracted to women who guarantee that outcome.

In all three cases, men choose the same kind of women repeatedly with the same results—painful and futile relationships. You’re compelled to make these women love you and treat you well, with the childish insistence that it turn out differently this time. Why?

  • It feels familiar.
  • It reconfirms what you believe/feel about yourself and relationships. This includes feelings of not being good enough, being unlovable, that there’s something wrong with you, that love is supposed to hurt or make you feel bad, or that you have to “win” love through meeting unreasonable conditions.
  • To finally gain the approval/acceptance you didn’t receive as a child.
  • To try to “save” the parent you couldn’t help way back when.
  • To win over your first love.

Explore what needs you’re trying to fulfill and what the old, no longer applicable rules of relationships to which you’re still abiding. Understand that these women are highly unlikely to ever meet these needs, which are typically for approval, acceptance, and unconditional love. Acknowledge how you were hurt in the past AND THEN MAKE DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP CHOICES.

This won’t be easy. Initially, being loved and accepted for who you are will feel unnatural and uncomfortable. Ride out the discomfort until feeling good in a relationship feels normal. You couldn’t choose your first familial love relationships as a child, but you can choose the kind of woman you want to be with now that you’re an adult.

by Dr Tara J. Palmatier, PsyD

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  1. editryan
    April 1, 2011 at 3:52 am | #1

    This will change my life. Thank you.

  2. sweet rhythms
    April 27, 2011 at 5:49 pm | #2

    Wow, this site has proved extremely helpful in my understanding of what happened between me and a guy I was seeing for the past few months. He’s 32, and I’m 24. We were in an undefined relationship for close to a year because he claimed he couldn’t commit to being my boyfriend due to his emotional issues. He had been cheated on by almost all the women he’d been with, and they were all very emotionally abusive, a couple even physically. He admitted that at the time he thought he was in love, but only realized later that these relationships were unhealthy and weren’t “real” love. He had told me once, while very drunk, that I deserved better than him and was wasting my time with him, that I was so amazing. He was almost in tears. He also told me that he purposely tried to put distance between us because he couldn’t handle it. He told me I was the anomaly who broke through his defenses.

    What led to things ending was that another woman came along, one who happened to be very extremely selfish and cunning, and had a reputation for her manipulative behavior. He was seduced and although we haven’t talked in roughly six weeks (I basically cut him out after I found out he made out with her behind my back), I can only assume he is pursuing her because as far as I know, they’re still in contact. It’s so confusing because he knew how good I was for him yet he ended up going after someone who couldn’t hold a candle to me, and was very similar to the kind of woman he’s been with in the past. I sent him an email yesterday attempting closure, but I haven’t heard back yet.

    • Mellaril
      April 27, 2011 at 6:13 pm | #3

      From what you described, I recommend you check out “OBSESSED WITH A BORDERLINE – A Matter of Attraction and Revulsion” By Shari Schreiber, M.A.

      http://www.sharischreiber.com/obsessed.html

      It’s written from the perspective that he would be reading it but if this article helps, Schreiber’s should help fill things in.

      Don’t be surprised after his current fling kicks him to the curb. To explore that and more, check out Dr T’s blogs on

      •Will My Emotionally Abusive Girlfriend or Wife Be Different With the New Guy? (September 7, 2009)
      and
      •Divorce and Break-Ups: There Is No Closure with a Narcissistic or Borderline Woman (August 28, 2009)

    • Mellaril
      April 27, 2011 at 6:16 pm | #4

      I meant to say “Don’t be surprised if he reappears after his current fling kicks him to the curb.”

  3. JC
    April 29, 2011 at 1:59 pm | #5

    I recently had to let go of a great friendship with a man I care for dearly. He is in a marriage with a very emotionally abusive woman who has insisted he have no contact with me. We met when he came to my workplace for a temporary assignment. His first time away from home or her since he was 19. He is 43 and I am 48. We just clicked immediately and had a very strong emotional connection. I am nothing like her according to him. He would never let me meet her because he said he we would never like each other. Probably true. He filed for divorce last summer and has moved out and lived with his parents on several occasions for up to a year at a time. He put the brakes on the divorce when she finally agreed to see a therapist with him. The therapist has sided with her for some reason. He has given up other friendships, doesn’t see family members because she thinks they hate her and won’t leave her because that is not how he was raised. His father was a functional alcoholic. His family did not say “I love you” or give affection. He was capable of all of that with me. I think it scared him. He would pull away when he felt too much.
    I don’t let men into my life easily and so valued his friendship. We laughed a lot, could talk about anything and supported each other in our careers. Having lost my father as a child and having no brothers this friendship was the closest thing to a brother I ever had. I just couldn’t be his savior. I lived with a Bi Polar mother who I cared for my whole life. After 6 mos not speaking at his wife’s request (demand) we had to speak for business reasons. To hear how defeated and “boxed in” he felt reminded me too much of how I felt growing up. It made me realize that he is being abused the way I was. Anyone who may support him in leaving that abusive relationship she insists he cut off contact with. To keep his kids he will do it. I feel bad because I couldn’t figure out how to get him to see that he can move past this and be happier. For a while I think he believed that. So I let him go with love and sent him the link to this website. I hope he takes it in the spirit is is meant and finds some awareness and resources here to help him move forward in a healthy way. Your webiste is terrific. I wish resources like this had been around when I was younger and dealing with issues of abuse as a child. It has taken me years of therapy to shed the emotional and physical weight (100 lbs) of being around the crazy. I can’t and won’t get close to the crazy again. Once you get awareness and distance and some healthy perspective you wonder how you ever stayed in it so long. For his sake I hope he breaks free and finds himself and his happiness with the help of this site an its resources.

  4. kiwihelen
    April 29, 2011 at 2:45 pm | #6

    Hi JC,

    One of the stats that comes out about spousal abuse is that it takes on average 7 attempts to leave. Sounds like your friend knows things are not great but can’t see how to leave – and it is tough if there are kids.

    Your story was mine about 8 years ago, and I am now back in touch with my wonderful man. He has joint custody of his girls, and he is making a new life.

    For you, you may benefit from some group or individual counselling of your own around the issues from your family of origin, so if/when he comes back you have gained strength to work with what will remain a difficult situation while the children are under 18 years of age.

    KH

  5. james21
    May 9, 2011 at 1:10 am | #7

    Thank god I found this place makes me feel not so alone. I had kids with a narcasistic personality disorder and life is hell.

    • ALEXIA
      August 2, 2012 at 8:32 am | #8

      your screwd and ur new partner if theres one, cut the contact no matter how hard it is,its gona ruin you,for the rest of ur life.

  6. Wayne
    May 11, 2011 at 7:06 pm | #9

    Wow. Were you spying on me Dr Tara? Jokes aside what you’ve written both here and in your article on how abusive women brainwash men has struck home very hard for me too and is unnervingly very, very accurate.

    I’ve also had a string of abusive relationships, having been accused of being violent and threatening amongst many others (with that lie then spread by my latest ex) when I was in fact being threatened and been made to feel bad and pathetic again and again. I’ve just been somehow lucky to have some willpower to resist and get an odd second wind of energy to start fighting back emotionally at some point until the relationship collapses completely and I refuse to chase after my ex’s.

    Other small abusive behaviour examples I was subjected included being told to say “I am wrong and it is all my fault” by one ex. Or how when I said “Your eyes look red” it would somehow became “You’re an ugly whore”. I really can’t stomach putting up here some of the other stuff that was thrown me.

    I however fall completely into that ‘Knight in Shining Armour’ example you gave above and parts of the ‘deepest cut’. I did indeed think that I could save her and help endure her trauma – I did indeed have the Shining Knight mentality trying to save the fair maiden, only to find the raging dragon and maiden were the same. Given that I’ve had to battle within myself to come out of my shell and overcome grinding depression and a self image of considerable negative self worth by myself I did (wrongly) think I had the strength to carry another troubled soul out of their personal hell but was wrong. I had the wrong thought too that I had enough love to carry us both even as I constantly wondered why I did everything, took all initiative for the relationship and she never reciprocated. Even when it came to sex she wanted only oral performed on her and that was it after she had climaxed.

    Again, it’s scarily accurate for me. You seem to have gotten right into my head even though you don’t know me personally. The sad part for me now is that the damage my parents did to me down the years is clearly still not fully repaired as I’m still carrying parts of the dysfunctionality within myself unconsciously in my own relationships.

    And like you’ve advised some other commenters here and in the brainwashing tactics article (I admittedly haven’t read all of the comments) I’m going to stay away from relationships for a good while to refocus on what I should be attracted to and what is healthy. It…. won’t be easy. It’s hasn’t been after all in all my struggles within myself down the years but I can get there eventually.

  7. Swedish man
    June 14, 2011 at 7:23 pm | #10

    Hi, What about when you’ve discovered youre vulnerable to a girl early on in a relationship but still can’t figure out exactly why. She seemed friendly, exciting, outspoken was very cute and charming. I didn’t see the things behind all of that made me drawn to her. I started dating her eventually, boosted by the advice from a friend i should stay open, giving and non-judgemental this time around. so, i just bought that piece of advice which seemed succesfull ad we started to acknowledge our feelings for one another. i intitated it most of the time. i started to se signals of a cold heart; she said she never cried (25 years of age), never aopologised and talked lowly about people in a fashion which made me seriously doubt her heart. But i still didnt act on it! So eventually we were leading up to a first date at someones crib, mine apparently. This got me very nervous, since i hadnt had a girl at home for over 6 months, so i started to change the place around big time! anyway, she calle dit of like three hours prior do her awaited arrival which made me dissapointed. she didnt say she was sorry though. then i sent her three sms later that day, which expressed some kind of concern of mine over the whole situation, but i took it all back in the last one of them. eventuelly she called me sunday, day after, and said she never even read my messages, and backed out of the whole relationship. Said we could be “acoa”friends, thats where we meet, but i wondered what that meant, and got very dissapointed she turned so fast, and we grew more and more apart as the telephonecall progressed. We meet later at the acoa-meeting and i never hinted i dated her when i talked, but i couldnt hold my tears back over the whole situation and got upset too at one time.

    Anyway, i have a N-mother, undoubtedly, but i am not totally convinced this girl was, i just suspect it – should this be enough? i was drawn to this girl and she was drawn to me on a early stage. very drawn! I’ve writen her a letter where i express my regrets over how self-absorbed i was when she broke it all up maybe i blew it up to big for her to handle at this point in her life, and that i can forgive her for not being with me at this moment, but still no reply. This entire situation is driving me crazy. I have problems, yes, she has problems, but its like i want to know for sure if she really is an N or N glorified child or something before i can leave it alone, or maybe this big connection i feel with her is the sign in itself that she has all the “wrong”- right sides i should walk away from and never look back upon? I just like to talk to her again and tell her i am sorry for not being more understanding of her decision, and that i could try to be friends with her. Is this a bad idea at this point?

    As i said, i havent gotten any closure emotionally with this, just 2 and a half weeks since she called it all of. Never felt so strongly about a girl before in my entire life, i am all wrapped up in it.

    • TheGirlInside
      July 21, 2012 at 12:35 pm | #11

      SM:

      She openly admitted, “I never apologize.” NPD or not, that is a HUGE RED FLAG…which you found out later…she never apologized for suddenly canceling her date (most likely b/c someone ‘better’ came along).

      The reason you feel so strongly for her is…*gulp* because NPDs and other PDs know how to ‘read’ people. You expose a vulnerability to them and they either (1) use it to draw you close to them (say all the right things, do the things you say you’ve always wanted), or (2) use it to hurt you / get rid of you (hurt you the exact same way soemone in your past has, for example).

      Read some more of Dr. T’s articles. You don’t get closure with these types. They just move on to their next host/victim. Accept that you were never anything more to her than a means to an end (probably having to do with money or fame).

      Sorry to be so harsh–but it is the truth. Do you find any similarities between her behavior and your mother’s? I’ve heard that we [subconsciously] learn How to Love from our same-sex parents and we learn Who to Love from our opposite sex parent. Which is probably why I have always woken up mid-relationship to find out that my partner is emotionally or physically unavailable to me.

  8. Eric
    June 26, 2011 at 3:05 pm | #12

    Dear Dr. T,

    I met this woman roughly 1.5 years ago and after our second date, I experienced this odd feeling almost sick feeling that something was not right. Some of her expressions and what she said just seemed off; however, I ignored them and pursued the relationship. As months went by, I realized I was dealing with a very needy, clingy, and dependent individual (I take half responsibility because I had this feeling of rescue and maybe my own feelings of needing love). The individual even warned me by saying I am not as independent as you think. She had displayed independent behavior early on, but I realized that this was a cover-up of her real behavior. I dismissed it and continued on knowing that I was not happy. Well, this past year it worsened and the behavior became that of jealous and possessive to the point where I had to say that I will not tolerate this behavior. The sad part is that she started expression actions of desperation when she thought I was on my way out of which I should have been (her parents divorced when she was 3 and her mom has been married 4 times/2 of those while she has been alive-They both always blame the man-dad has not always been there-distant).

    The worst part of the relationship occurred when she told me to get over my mom’s death.I was having a difficult time getting through the grief state. When mom became ill, I had a full-time job as a professor, was in the middle of collecting data for my doctoral dissertation involving diabetes work, and my mom was 500 miles away (I traveled home every weekend for 3 months until Cancer took her away). My mom passed from 4th Stage Gall Bladder Cancer in November of 2007 and I will add that I divorced in 2004. The greatest loss of my life. I was shocked and angry and could not believe someone would say that. Who says that?? I disconnected at that point and lost interest and respect. I should have ended the relationship then. The sad part is she is 31 with a good job/graduate degree and eventually moved back home with her mom when I did not allow her to move in with me. It is like she can’t take care of herself, much like that of a child.

    My point is, that by me remaining in the relationship seemed to bring back old wounds that I was trying to heal from childhood. See, she reminded me of my mom who needed rescued from my abusive father growing up and the fact that my mom was not very affectionate. She was a good mom and did the best she could do, but was not very loving. I could not rescue mom when dad was hitting her and I could not save my mom from cancer. I understand this; however, I struggle with why I allowed the relationship to continue when I knew I was miserable and just plain sick of the person. I am in counseling and will continue to go.

    I really enjoy reading your information and I am grateful for it.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

    Eric

  9. C.Diggory
    September 17, 2011 at 8:36 am | #13

    Thank you for a much needed perspective on dysfunctional relationships. When looking for info about abused men, one is inundated by search results that lead you to believe either its not happening or no one is aware. The truth of course is these abuses happen to people in every group–men, women, gay,straight–nonetheless it is invaluable having a website/article addressing abused men in particular, if only to raise awareness and give men a safe place to share their experiences. What is written here is excellent advice for everyone–many of the sites addressing abused women aren’t as good!

    I came here trying to understand why a man I care about keeps trying to re-connect with his manipulative backstabbing ex.[afaik, just as friends, but still...], though history has shown his life is worse for having contact with her, and better when she’s out. To give him credit he broke it off when she stabbed him in the back the first time. But then its been a long yo-yo: from “yeah she betrayed me but she’s okay” to “she’s out” and back again. This can take 3 to 6 months. In addition to all the obvious reasons this is concerning, this woman is part of a network of nasty hackers and passes information to them. I bit my tongue during the last “she’s okay” phase; but spoke up after the last “she’s out”, pointing out how worrying it is to people who care about him when he says “she’s okay” after all the bs she’s done. He didn’t reply which I assumed was embarrassment and so didn’t push it. I don’t want him shamed–I want him safe! I hoped the message finally sank in, but apparently not.
    Its the most powerless feeling in the world caring about someone who is doing something self destructive that will probably hurt him–and maddening to know he knows better, but keeps being drawn back. IMO part of it is he wants to be fair,understanding and decent person, and give her a chance, but to the best of my knowledge she has NEVER apologized or explained her most egregious behavior. Which IMHO would be the minimum she’d have to do to even consider giving her a second[third? fourth?] chance, even as “just friends”. I can’t say more without revealing the situation. I also think he believes deep down inside she’s probably sorry–but I don’t think she’s ever said so, because if she had I would expect him to bring that up when defending her. And having been a person who’s said “sorry” in my time for minor mistakes without having to be asked, I don’t see how she should avoid ANY responsibility for her willfully vindictive actions and then pretend nothing is wrong [and be a phony giggly flirt about it--ugh. How can this fool an intelligent person?].

    I can’t figure if he’s one of the “twilight” stuck lads–or its an isolated intense incident of confusion that’s lingering. He did have one other wh*re try to mess with his head, but afaik his other relationships have been reasonable/okay–not that I know much.

    Thanks for the excellent article–it’s helped me get perspective–and helped remind me this isn’t because of something I did or didn’t do. But it still hurts to know they’re being reckless with life/emotional health/ safety when they know better.

  10. so very true
    October 10, 2011 at 7:37 pm | #14

    i feel very sorry for the men that are attracted to psycho women. you men should just stay away from them. half of them now are basket cases to begin with. watching these movies on TV is worse, seeing women that are trying to kill their husbands. this happens a lot in real life which is very scarey. as a straight man that was married twice, i was a very caring and loving husband that never cheated on them. but they did cheat on me. my second wife is also bipolar as well which made it worse, especially when she started coming home from work late and when i asked her where were you and she started yelling and screaming at me and told me that it is none of your business. that is when it was time for me to get out while i can. now i am very scared to meet another woman, but i know i should not be this way. bottom line, we men must proceed with caution.

    • Alreadylost
      October 11, 2011 at 3:16 pm | #15

      Once bitten twice shy. I know what you mean. It will be extremely difficult for me to ever trust another women again enough to let her get that close. In my case number one was OK but had anger management issues. I got the bruises and got to patch the holes in the walls. Number two is beyond description. I’m so outta here as soon as the judge bangs the gavel. Scheduled for about a month. The closer it gets the worsevthings are getting. I just hope I can make it another month. Then it’s probably a couple more months till I’m finally rid of her knowing how things go. Hanging on but barely

  11. Wilfred Grimley
    October 18, 2011 at 5:38 am | #16

    Thank you…

  12. Lost in Volatility
    November 9, 2011 at 7:58 pm | #17

    Hello Dr. T

    I read through some of this blog posings and so much seems so familiar to me. I am in y 40′s was married for 13 yrs to an abusive woman (probably BPD), my mother was the volatile and extremely invasive and again, probably BPD type AND I’ve just finished a 3 yr on and off relationship with yeat another one.
    When I first met her, 3 yrs ago, I was almost immediately aware that she had all of those volatile, needy and invasive qualities that I had been so used to for all of these years. I wasnt particularly threatened at the begining simply because we werent working towards a long term committed relationship. I had been recently (6 months) divorced and I was enjoying her good looks, the companinship, and the great sex. The first year was magical! We connected so well. We spoke nicely and kindly to eachother but had absolutely no formal commitment to each other. As time progressed we grew feeling for each other and eventually fell in love. Within a few months I was going through the exact same hell as in my mariage. She became vry emotionally and verbally abusive every time she got upset. As much as I tri showing understanding, compassion and kindness she would get worse. She would also keep many male friends and see them. All of these guys were constantly hitting on her and offering sex. As though she was deriving some sort of self validation from this experience. As many times as I expressed my discontent with the situation she didnt care, or just didnt do anything to change it. In addition, she was addicted to pot (heavily) and drank heavily as well. Throughought the relationship I kept on asking myself why do i stay. I just could not seem to escape the attrction (mostly physical). We had spectacular chemistry in bed…spark flew!!! It was absolutely passionate.
    I have been in therapy for over 4 yrs now and I am very aware of many (but not all) of the reasons for my attraction to this type of woman. I am also pretty sure that I am codependent myself.
    It took me 4 months to build up the courage to finally leave this past summer. Thruth be told, that perfect woman who I am absolutely not used to dating came into the picture and I got to know her a little. She is the most wonderful person that I have ever met and I am terrrrrrrified of loosing her through my own stupidity. Reading some of the earlier postings has really scared me. I am terrified that I will end up screwing this up. I really care for her and I would so much like to make myself healthy for her.
    Can you please offer words of wisdom?
    Lost in Volatility

    • TheGirlInside
      July 21, 2012 at 12:43 pm | #18

      Hi – Not trying to replace Dr. T, but your story sounds familiar…if you keep finding yourself attracting and being drawn to the same type of [woman/man], then the problem is inside of you. You need to find a therapist who cn helop you work through your past, your self-defeating feelings and thought about yourself that cause you to accept abusive personalities into your life, and learn (like I am beginning to) what self-respect really is.

      If you do not at least start counseling with someone familiar with abuse issues, I’m afraid you will [subconsciously] ‘screw it up’ with this woman, b/c as someone who has ‘lived to tell,’ you will always be on edge when she does nice things for you–your past relationships, that always meant the hammer was about to fall…and when it doesn’t, you create drama, that will make her question why she is putting up with YOU.

      Please find a good counselor–getting sessions with Dr. T would be an excellent start!

  13. Ricki
    January 14, 2012 at 11:44 am | #19

    Sorry, I’m a woman but suffer from the same pattern. :-(

  14. Nella
    February 13, 2012 at 10:09 pm | #20

    I was involved with a man like this. Though quite some time has passed I haven’t been able to move on from things and feel very hurt and scarred. It has done quite a lot of damage to my self esteem and confidence. He has since moved on. Had 3 or 4 relationships in the time since I let go (they all ended pretty ugly, except the one he is currently in). I have been on one date in 2 years, and at the last minute I felt myself feeling terrified and didn’t want to go, although I did. He is now in a new relaitonship. She’s pregnant. They’ve been together about 8 months or so and are supposed to get married soon and he does all of these sweet wonderful things for her. I felt emotionally abused after my involvment with him. After is when I really felt it all and realized what happened to me. It was like torture. He was so wonderful, sweet, and gentle in the beginning and at periods of time throughout. He was never verbally abusive to me or mean in an outward way, on the surface he was such a good guy, but the lack of communication, the blowing hot and cold, having him beg to be in my life then stand me up, give me excuses why he couldn’t commit, being told he loves me while he betrays me…it was emotionally very destructive. Yet, he still doesn’t understand why I had to let go…though I tried to communicate how his actions affected me numerous times. It’s still my fault…I was the insincere person that showed him I didn’t care about him. Though I was in love with him and made every effort to see him and spend time with and make him feel special. Even when I walked away, I tried to be as honest and compassionate as I could about why I had to let go, telling him it wasn’t a healthy situation and it was hurting me, but I loved him and hoped one day he would be able to find happiness.

    I don’t know the inside nature of his current relationship and maybe they are very happy. But I know that something about it all seems a little strange. I’ve been told she often talks about revenge and mocks the other women from his past. It made me think about what other people said above that they get addicted to the drama of their past relationships and so when they have someone normal it doesn’t quite seem right, so they keep going back to the same girl. I’ve had his friends and even some strangers say that he needs a woman like me…that I would be good for him, etc. He would tell me I was beautiful inside and out, that he wanted me, and never met anyone with a heart like mine, and he loved me too much to hurt me, but he’d turn around and do just that because he could never commit or come through for me. When I’d talk to him about us committing to one another it’d be a whole lot of excuses and an “if we can make it work.” Things with us could have been very simple. I like simple. I just don’t understand. He’d rather choose women that get on social networks and say he’s nothing, talk about how he better give them all these material things, etc. than to be with someone that supported and encouraged him…was patient and kind to him and just wanted a reciprocal loving relationship. Then when I get upset because he stood me up or didn’t keep his promises, yet not saying anything disrespectful to him, just telling him how his action makes me feel,…he lumps me in with everyone else though my reasons for being upset were both legitimate and rational and tells me I’m insulting and criticizing him. At points in time his own friends would be like it’s not your fault…do not apologize to him…he created this situation and he needs to learn that what he does is hurtful. When he would do hurtful things to me he’d act like he didn’t know what I was talking about…he couldn’t understand why I didn’t want to speak to him or be involved with him anymore. I don’t know if this stemmed from his childhood or his past girlfriends, but he doesn’t have a great relationship with his mother and the woman who raised him seems to have been very demanding of him and quite dominant. He is very passive and passive aggressive.

    I feel somewhat traumatized from being involved with him. My self-esteem is very low now and I used to be so confident and vibrant. I often find myself wondering why could he be good to her, but was hurtful to me? What was so wrong with me? From reading things it sounds like the abused become the abusers, so maybe that’s what happened…he turned that behavior and became abusive to me. I don’t want to be that way to others…it was a very painful experience and I would hate to make another person feel that way. How does one recover from situations like this? How do I move on and not feel so low about him treating her better than he did me?

  15. Brian
    March 6, 2012 at 3:18 pm | #21

    I found this partticular article enlightening and very relevant to my paticular situation. I share the same background described in number two entitled knight in shining armor as the description mirrors my past experience as the parentified child. The women desribed is the one I am married to as well.

    My questions is this, I have been contemplating divorce for the last five of nearly ten years I have been married. The very reason I have not is due to my need to resucue my wife and concern she is not capable of being a single parent to our two children. In your experience is it posissble to have a future with my wife given these circumstances?

    • Mellaril
      March 6, 2012 at 5:42 pm | #22

      This is an ongoing topic on the Forum. If you want to pursue the question, I recommend you check it out.

  16. danno
    March 22, 2012 at 5:54 pm | #23

    I’ve found her again. Beautiful, intelligent, creative, intense, and totally batshit crazy. I really dig her, but I’m afraid I will get hurt if I get too close to her. She is a bright light, and I am a moth. I just want to flutter around her for a while, without getting so close that she burns me to a crisp. Can it be done? My better judgement says no, but I want her so much. I’m thinking about asking her out tomorrow. I know I shouldn’t, but she draws me like a magnet.

    • Zibot
      March 22, 2012 at 11:45 pm | #24

      “There are plenty of ways you can hurt a man
      And bring him to the ground
      You can beat him
      You can cheat him
      You can treat him bad and leave him
      When he’s down
      But I’m ready, yes I’m ready for you
      I’m standing on my own two feet
      Out of the doorway the bullets rip
      Repeating the sound of the beat”

  17. Beekeeper
    April 7, 2012 at 5:22 am | #25

    I wish that I could afford to talk to you one on one. I’ve got to get over the first attraction thing, love at first site with every snake that crosses my path. Dates have never been a problem, either, I attract all kinds of crazies! I want kids, and a wife, and balance…thank you for this article. I cant say that I haven’t thought of most of it in regards to myself, but it helps to see it confirmed.

  18. April 7, 2012 at 2:12 pm | #26

    I encourage people finding Dr T on this site to come to the new site and consider enrobing in the forum as well

  19. sherlock
    June 28, 2012 at 2:05 pm | #27

    “This type of woman doesn’t need rescuing; she needs a mood stabilizer and a warning label.”

    - Well said.

  20. Don
    July 17, 2012 at 8:01 pm | #28

    I’ve found myself to be exactly what you call the ‘Knight in shining Armor’. However, I never experienced any of the trauma’s you listed. In my case I was raised with the idea to love everyone and forgive everything. I feel that this was an even worse scenario as I felt I could never give up on the women I was with no matter how abusive. I’m just now leaving another emotionally draining and abusive woman. I let it go on too long again because of what I was taught when growing up. I feel guilt from both her AND my family. Could it get worse than this?

    • shrink4men
      July 17, 2012 at 10:59 pm | #29

      Hi Don,

      It sure can get worse if you allow one of them to become pregnant by you. I encourage you to do some work on yourself and let go of your shining armor otherwise it could very well be your demise. The type of women knights in shining armor are usually like drowning victims who pull their rescuers down with them to a watery grave.

      Best,
      Dr T

      • ALEXIA
        August 2, 2012 at 9:04 am | #30

        aw haha i just saw ur comment after i did mine,i think exactly the same is a watery grave…

    • ALEXIA
      August 2, 2012 at 9:01 am | #31

      yeeeeeeeeeee just run the hell out,:( my hubb is same as you from healthy family ,go find one of the same kind,we get along perfect,the only thorn is the ex end her kids.shadow my life and his:( just run now that ur childless it can get really bad i never knew how sever it can be ITS A HORROR that u and ur ex gona play part for the rest of ur lifes u never gona get rid of her how thats sounds??HORROR at least to me
      you invest only to end up alone,with part time kids disfunctional relationship and a harder chance for a second marrige to maintain its hell hard!!if u didnt have chance to succeed as unmarried single guy!imagine divorced with kids and an ex lunatic!!!!even if u meet a normal girl she will run to the hills or she is gona drive nuts!!!RUN RUN RUN is serious it ruins ur life and those who will be around you.I RELLAY dont understand why people have to be sadistic so much…i am in anormal relationship normal person i tell u is so great despite some little conflicts and imperfections still feels great.
      my advice try date from some other country an italian or greek or spanish or indian,philipine,or african ,they can be way more humble,i am greek here in greece new generation start to be bad but around people my age (30) you can still find relaible people,here women ruin harder their marrige and if i mention indian women they are even more relaible.MY HUSBAND didnt want to mess up again with a dutch girl they can be never pleased and they have unrealistic expectation.while the funny think i find dutch men way more humble and marrige material than greek men! that is funny…ofcurse there are exceptions to the rule but is so funnu to observe it

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